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>>chris: immigration reform, and a deal would mean more patrols and more fences and more money along the southern border. we are investing resources. chris opponents are not moved. >> if they insist upon legalization first before border security, the bill is not going do pass the house of representatives. >>chris: we will discuss immigration reform and the split in the g.o.p. with a member of the gone of an, senator graham and senator mike lee. then, the special election for
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the senate in massachusetts. two difficulties nil the vote to fill secretary of state john kerry's old seat and political heavyweights on both sides come out in force. we will talk with republican candidate former navy seal and businessman gabriel gomez, a fox news sunday exclusive. plus, a wild week on wall street after the fed announced plans to wind down the economic stimulus. well ask our sunday panel about fear in the financial markets. our power player of the week, overseeing the only national park for the performing arts. all right now. hello again from fox news in washington. n.s.a. leaker snowden is on the move today. with the united states seeking his extradition hong kong authorities allowed him to leave the country reportedly on a flight to now and russian news agencies say he is booked on a
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flight from now to cuba on monday. joining us to discuss the snowden case and the split inside the g.o.p. over immigration reform are two leading republicans, not graham is a member of the gang of eight that is leading the push to reform. sund opposed the legislation and he is the author of a new book "why john roberts was wrong about health care." both are members of the senate armed services committee. gentleman, senator graham, what do you make of hong kong authorities allowing snowden to go? they say that our extradition papers were not in full compliance with their law. what leverage do we have over now if they decide to let him go to another country? >> guest: i would like to find out why our papers were not in compliance. that would be a big mistake bit department of justice. i don't think he is a hero.
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i believe he hurt our nation and compromised the national security program designed to find out what terrorists were up to so the the freedom trail is not exactly china, russia, cuba, venezuela and i hope they let the russians know there will be consequences if they harbor this guy. >>chris: the key decision over the next 24 hours will be made by now, senator graham. >> guest: if they want to be part of the world community and they want a good relationship with the united states, they should hold this fellow and send him back home for justice. >>chris: senator lee, are we helpless here as snowden thumbs his nose at the united states with the help of the chinese and now the help of the russians? what if he goes to another
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country? >> guest: i don't know to i would use the word "helpless." we are in a precarious position. i have some concerns about much of what the n.s.a. has been doing but mr. snowden is delusional if he thinks that he will find a country with a better human rights record in now or in havana or in venezuela. he is in for a rude awakening. >>chris: what does it tell you if he is headed to one of those countries rather than the united states? >> guest: if he is looking for a place with a better human rights record he will not find it in those countries. >>chris: on immigration reform which is why we invited you here in the first place with the addition of more than $40 billion in new border enforcement, will the senate this week pass comprehensive immigration reform? if so, how many votes in senator
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graham? >> guest: the bill will pass. we are on the verge of 70 votes. that is my goal. we are close to 70 votes. the corker amendment gets us over-the-top. >>chris: we will talk about that in a moment but a general prediction, senator lee, you are opposed to this. do you agree it will pass with a very wide majority something like 70 votes? >> guest: it is likely to pass and it could well be along the margin senator graham suggested. look, as sponsors of this bill they had the bet of intention. the best of intentions are not enough when you deal with 1,200 page bill. they promised under this bill illegal immigration would be a thing of the past. it won't. c.b.o. told us this week ten years from now we will still have to take in 8 million illegal immigrants. it will not be tough or fair, not tough on those would broke the law or their to those who have been waiting to come
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legally to the country. worst of all, chris, we learned on friday this they will replace the entire gang of eight bill, 1,000 pages, with a 1,200-page amendment that is a provision that few people have read and fewer fully understand. we all want immigration reform. this bill is not the right vehicle for getting there. >>chris: this amendment has apparently changeed the calculating and added 10 or 15 more republican votes and is called the border surge amendment. specifically we will look what it will do: double the number of border agents to 40,000. complete 700 miles of new fencing. it will deploy drones and radar and ground sensors. there will be full implementation of e-verify and beef up exit and entry tracking for people on visas. senator lee is your problem that you do not think with the $40
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billion in extra border enforcement you do not think it will work? or is your problem the idea that it is going to allow a provisional legal status for the 11 million people, immigrants, who are already fear before you get all of this border enforcement in place? >> guest: as a proponents of immigration reform my problem has been with sequencing and it is not a good idea to try to attack the entire problem at once because then you end up with 1,200-page bill. with the sequencing of this bill we have to look to the fact that the pathway to citizenship begins on day one but it will take many, many years, in fought -- if not decades to you wily implement the measures. >>chris: you say the republicans talking about border security do not favor a path to citizenship. the congressional budget office, and this is something that senator lee pointed out, the
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congressional budget office said your gang of eight bill would only reduce illegal immigration by 25 percent. >> guest: they are talking about the entry and exit problem. 40 percent here illegal overstayed their visas. as to the border we militarized the border. i have been heard, regain our sovereignty and secure the border. we have secured the border in a way i could not have imagined four or five years ago. the border security amendment is the most aggressive attempt to control the southern border. this bill reduces our deficit by $890 billion. it is good for our economy. this bill is good for our national security. no one can get a grown card until the border security measures are up and running, until e verify is up and running controlling the job in america.
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as to the 11 million we have an earned pathway to citizenship but they have to get in the back of line before they can become a citizen. they cannot cut in line the this we have to pass two english proficiency. whats. i reject being the middle east for those who cannot be part of america. we are different than the middle east and europe, out of many, one. this is a good solution for our national security and our economy and for the 11 mill but if we do this bill, there will be no third wave of illegal immigration. >>chris: another objection mentioned, the idea this will be a huge,200-page bill, and i heard you complain about that during obamacare, the idea you have this huge bill that no one has resolution and why not take it in more bite-sized pieces. why not in this case?
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>> well, look at it this way, give the republicans all the border security you want and all the legal immigration you want and trust the republicans to deal fairly with 11 million. that is not going to fall to the democrats and i will not accept an agreement where they get legalization on a pathway to citizenship and then they get the period security and then they give me legal immigration reform. you have to do it together. we have tried border security and legal immigration reform to yen card status. this will we secure our border and get the reform if place can you not get a green part which puts you on a citizenship status. we have tried the two together. that is the only way to do this. i have been dealing with it since 2005 and 2006 and this is a great solution if our economy and our national security and i am proud of this bill. >>chris: if the senate passed immigration reformal this week it still has to go on to the house. senator lee, you have said it
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will be dead on arrival in the house of representatives. house republicans are talking about the incremental approach you favor. deal with enforcement first and after that deal with the 11 million illegals who are in this country. take a listen to speaker boehner. >> it is border security and confidence that we have the border secured before we begin to go down this path of addressing both the legal immigration issues and the illegal immigration issues. >>chris: senator lee, senator graham and a lot of democrats say it will kill the legislation. they will not accept border enforcement first and then a promise to deal with legalization for the 11 million who are here, after. >> guest: that is what they say. that is what they want to be the case. the house of representatives has it right, however, the house of representatives has said border security first. they are doing expect the right thing, dealing with this in the
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right sequence. the house judiciary committee passed out of committee this week two security miles an hours, two things to bring about robust immigration reform in a step-by-step process and that is the approach we eight to be taking. what is making this contentious and making it politically divisive is that the senate gapping of eight has insisted on wrapping you will the issues up in one 1,200 page bill, putting the single most controversial confrontational issue of amnesty and ultimate citizenship into a 1,200 payment ---page bill. >>chris: gentleman, a lot of politics in all of this, president obama pushed for passage of the senate bill this week in the weekend media address. >> that is what comprehensive immigration reform looks like, stronger enforcement, smarter legal system and a pathway to enadd citizenship, a more
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vibrant growing economy fair on the middle class. >>chris: is rebound doing enough to push and if republicans are seen, whether in the senate unlikely or in the house of representatives much more likely as stopping this immigration reform what is the political fallout as the going tries to reach out to hispanic voters? >> guest: president obama has been better on mission than then obama who helped take the bill down in 2006 and 2007. when when ask him to do something he has come through but when he does things on his own even this time it has been a disaster from the white house. as to the republican party, here is my firm belief, america is not defied on this, 70 percent of americans including republicans have supported an earned pathway to citizenship over thin-year period where you get in the back of the line and learn a language and pay a fine. to the republican party, this is
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a chance to improve our economy, reduce the deficit, by $890 billion and get border security you will never see in your lifetime and regain our sovereignty and if it fails and we are blamed for the failure our party is in trouble with hispanics because of the rhetoric and the way we have handled this issue. i want to get reattached to the hispanic community and pass comprehensive immigration reform and grow this party. the party has to be bigger than utah and south carolina. the hispanic community is very close to us but we have driven away. fix the problem for the good of the country and the good of the party. this bill does that. >>chris: senator lee, romney only got 27 percent of the hispanic vote in november and 50,000 new hispanic citizens have become, or reach voting age each month in this country. if your party is seen as killing
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immigration reform, will you pay a price at the polls for decades? >> guest: if we turn immigration reform into a political football everyone loses. we all know that. we have learned that from the past and we don't want to learn that the hard way in the future. the american people want secure border and we fix our legal immigration process before we go localizing were less granting citizenship to 11 million people treating all of them the same regardless of whether they overstayed the visas or crossed in illegally. c.b.o. told us this week that this will be bad for wages. it will be bad if unemployment. this is not the right solution. >>chris: senators, thank you both, thanks for joining us today to talk about this. well watch what the senate does this week. >> next, a big election tuesday in massachusetts and the deep blue state of massachusetts. can gomez pull off another
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g.o.p. upset?
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>>chris: can gomez pull off
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what scott bound did in the senate election in massachusetts in 2010. according to the latest real clear politics average, mr. gomez, of polls in the massachusetts you are running well behind congressman markey almost at 52 percent and you are at 39 percent, a margin of 12.5 percent. this is a new pole today that shows you trailing by 8 points but whatever the margin it is a big deficit. how do you turn that around in 48 hours? >> we can wi, i'm confident. our message is resonating among independents, democrats, republicans, and his message is a narrow part of the democratic party. we have people with a reason now to vote and congressman markey has been the most misleading campaign trying to scare people. because he is scared. he doesn't want to talk about his record. people will come to the polls to vote for me rather than voting against someone else.
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>>chris: at this point in the polls why is he leading between 8 points and 12 points? >> guest: the polls have been up-and-down all over the place. this party, this election is about putting people before politics and congressman markey has had 37 years to get things done with comprehensive tax reform and entitlement reforms and i am asking, give me 17 points and i will keep my word, i don't need 37 years like congressman markey, the message that is resonating. in two days i am confident i am asking people to vote for me and we will be successful. >>chris: you have crystallized your main argument and i want to ask you. that is what you say, markey has been in congress for 37 years and you say he has been ineffective and he debates that. you say, give you 17 months, the amount of time left in the temperature of jerk years ago and before be left in the term of john kerry, and you will get
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things done. how will you break the gridlock in washington single-handedly? >> guest: if a peace corps volunteer was talked into marrying a navy seal, i can work with him. i look forward to working with all the congressman and senators in washington, dc you have been barn been all my life that is a problem we have. we have a high level of fiscal mismanagement and hyper partisanship. the issues issues are so big weo reach across the aisle, respect the other side, and get things done. that is why our message is resonating among mat just republicans but independents and democrats and it is a clear choice between me and congressman markey. he has had 37 years to succeed and he has not succeeded. i am mission-focused. >>chris: but his main argument against you, you are just going to be another vote for the republicans in the senate. take a look. >> they want and need him in
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washington in order to advance a radical republican agenda. >>chris: in a liberal state where the going agenda is not that popular, where do you differ from most senate republicans? >>guest: the congressman wishes he was running against someone else but he is running against me. i disagree with the republican party on a number of issues. i believe in gay marriage. i'm for the immigration reform bill. i think that we need to have more, i'm a green republican and believe in global warming and i believe we need to have candidate back ground checks and i think the n.r.a. is wrong and there are a lot of areas i don't agree with the republican party and congressman markey wishes he was running against someone else. >>chris: you say you are for extended back ground check but the issue that markey hit you hardest on is gun control. take a look.
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>> my opponent opposes an assault weapons ban. my opponent opposes a ban on the high capacity magazines that attach to those assault weapons that turn them into weapons of war. >>chris: that is his point you may be for expanded background check but are up against the high capacity magazine ban and most in massachusetts, they disagree with you on those issues. >> guest: this is an example of the congressman not knowing how to solve the problem the we need to ban all weapons from the wrong people which makes communities and schools and kids safer. we need to pass the expanded background check and the only one that can go down and get republicans and democrats to vote for this and to go great 54 to 60 is me. he never had a history reaching across the aisle i can go down this with expense of navy seal
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and get more republicans and conservative democrats to pass this bill. if that is how we are going to get our communities and schools and kids safer. that is the problem we need to solve. >>chris: back when john kerry left the senate in january you wrote a letter to the democratic governor and you asked him to appoint you to the senate on an interim basis and on gun control and immigration reform you wrote this, "i support the positions that president obama has taken on the issues and you can be assured i will keep my word and work on these issues as i have promised." the question, how could you promise that when you opposed the ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines that rebound was very much pushing at that time? >> guest: when i wrote that letter i was a navy guy and i wanted to go down there and volunteer and serve the people of massachusetts and i am for the immigration reform bill and make that group a gang of nine and i hope senator warren joins
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for a gang of ten. on gun control i know the problems we need to solve is ban all weapons from the wrong people. i want to go down this and make sure we pass it when it comes bam -- back up for a vote. >>chris: when you wrote that bill, president obama was supporting the idea of a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines and you wrote and you promised, assured governor patrick that you supported president obama's positions on those issues. was that true and you changed your mind? or wasn't that true? >> guest: what i meant i supported the overall position on getting immigration reform done and gun control and in gun control solving the problem is making sure we ban all weapons from the wrong people. that is what the toomey and manchin bill does. i want to get more republicans and more conservative democrats and solve the problems and get the right solution down this opposed to not solving the
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problem. >>chris: your unfavorable rating in massachusetts is 33 percent, not bad but only 34% have a favorable opinion of you. my question is: has a successful businessman, as a former navy seal, as a hispanic, why have you had such a tough time making the affirmative case for yourself? >> guest: the polls move up-and-down and i know when we go out there and meet the people and get our message out there people are enthusiastic and not just republicansut independents, democrats, and that is why on tuesday, june 25th, people will come out and show there is a reason to vote for someone rather than against someone. i am confident our emergency is getting out there and the polls move up-and-down but we will win on june 25th because we are giving the people a reason to put the people before money and politics. i just need 17 months to get the
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job done. >>chris: if you lose on tuesday, it has been suggested, that it may not be all bad you would have gained tremendous name recognition in your fares -- your first race, in campaigning, and you would be well placed. win or lose, will you run again for office in massachusetts? >>guest: as a family general said in world war ii "i shall return." people are excited about our cap address and continue to come and help out at and i am confident we will close the gap and be successful. >>chris: i shall run, assuming, for the sake of argument, you were to lose, some are saying, well, you would run again, in the full election, not the special election in 2014 against markey who then would have a record in the not of the next 17 months, does that make
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sense to you? >> guest: if congressman markey wins nothing will change, it will be the status quo, but he will go from one building to the other building and well have the fiscal mismanagement and i cannot emergency what he would do in 17 months that he hasn't done in 37 years. nothing will change. i am confident of that. because of that, i only need 17 months to prove myself. >>chris: you have learned a lot in the months as a campaigner, even getting in the website, well done, sir, we will watch the results on tuesday united. coming up, snowden leaves hong kong to avoid extradition to the united states and we will bring in our sunday panel to success what the obama administration can do about it. alec, for this mission i upgraded your smart phone.
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>>chris: this is the arrival area in now's international airline and wonder united nations there is such a crowd of people. it is believed that the plane carrying edward snowden, the n.s.a. leaker, has just landed and he is on the plane and authorities are waiting for him and the media are waiting for him to clear customs and arrive in now with the united states speaking. hong kong allowed him to leave the country today reportedly on the plight to now and supposedly
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on to one of several other countries. now it is time for our sunday group and we will return to that picture if edward snowden goes through that door. there are a lot of what look to be chinese visiters to now and we are getting a warm reception with brit hume and fox news senior political analyst, and for the associated press, and bill kristol from the "weekly standard" and bob woodward from the "washington post" today. what are they saying? they sought the extradition from hong kong authorities and they said the papers were in order and they let him go, reportedly on this flight to now. >> so, officials are obviously in close contact with officials in hong kong. what i would point out yesterday we had a stern warning from a senior as official saying if hong kong did not quickly extradict edward snowden to the
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under it wrote complicate the bilateral relationship and raise questions about their commitment to the rule of law and i talked to a senior official who says this raises concerns in the united states about hong kong and their involvement and i talked to the lawyer for wikileaks in the united states who says that organization is working with ed snowden and he said that we should not focus on tradition treateds because you can have a treaty and claim a political exception for snowden so this talk about extradition treaty is more complicated than that. >>chris: bill? >> former intelligence official this morning said, look, there are a million flights in hong kong to ecuador or venezuela or iceland or the other places, why now? the guy said, look, interpol may have a warrant out if this guy and we have asked presumably interpol to watch out no this
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guy traveling. the airline as much as anything else, and the russian airline, it seems the russian government is colluding with the chinese government to avoid bring this guy to justice. >>chris: and wikileaks is involved and though say they have lawyers on the plane but wikileaks supports the organization run by julian assange that leaked thousands and thousands of documents they got from manning and supposedly there are diplomats according to wikileaks from another unnamed country, but you do not know if it is russia or, perhaps, the country where he hopes to seek asylum. so this is quite a tour. bob, this is pretty special.
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>> it should not be turned into a circumstance tits where we are chasing o.j. in his white bronco. the real question, here, it is, whose interests are being served by the leaks? and we do not know, frankly, it clearly is a serious matter, but there has been no demonstrated abuse that the information that n.s.a. has, was used in a way that is illegal or inappropriate. there is a lot to focus on here. over 40 years i have had six cases of people coming in like edward snowden sometimes with stories that were important to print. a number of times they had stories that should not be printed and bradley, the editor, decided not. i have not heard a good answer. we will, i think, in time, what we really needed to know all of this. i know at the "washington post" they are very careful about all
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of this. there are lets that are not out that the public does not know. there are almosts of the snowden -- that snowden may not know and may not understand what he has unleashed. we we ought to focus on those things. >>chris: and the "washington post" and "the guardian" is a paper that broke the only story and the story of the internet surveillance. are you suggesting, perhaps, your paper shouldn't have done that? >> guest: no, i think they did it carefully and there is all kinds of information they did not use. this should be debated and it has surprised lots of people and president obama welcomes this debate. >>chris: having said that he has not done anything about it or talked about it since. >> first thought, we need to think about how much damage, if anything, the leak of the
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existence of the program has done as we talk about here. this is not the first time it has been reported that it exists but it went unnoted and was broken back seven years ago. so, how much damage has it done that the people we trying defend ourselves against, snow this vast database of phone numbers which can be searched in case they reach out to someone in the united states by telephone? it would be better they didn't know that. how much better, that is debatable. that is the key question. how were harm has it done? does whatever information this character has, what hasn't come out yet, pose a threat of further damage? what came out this week, i think, didn't do that. i would say i think that is far this hasn't been so damaging nor
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has it been all that relevant. >>chris: back to the question of the chinese, we know they know they received the extradition request. they had some comment about it not complying with the laws which is a fairly legalistic dodge on their part and in now it indicates he knew he would be safe in now and putin would not turn him over to the united states embassy but what do they make of that? is it a cloud on the administration over these two countries we have had an uneasy relationship? >> and the relationship between china and the united states and between russia and the united states has been at the forefront of foreign also discussions given meeting with putin last week, and the meeting with the chinese president a few weeks
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ago, these are countries we have complicated relationships with. we cannot expect them to instinctively gray. they obviously have their own interests and with china there are a lot of questions whether what we accuse china of doing with us, what that is actually done by the united states and know snow says he has information about that so it is clear in the choices he made he had some guidance of how he would be treated or an expectation of how he could be treated based on the foreign policy relationship we have. >> the key point, he wanted to get the documents out whether it was "the guardian" or "washington post" because president obama was meeting with the chinese premiere and he wanted to prevent -- wanted to put a focus on issue spying and the next revelation was right before the g-8 summit in london and that helped putin.
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it shows this is not just a flakey guy but he is working with the foreign interests of our enemies. >> having seen too many these there is a randomness and you cannot control the timing. >>chris: he does seem to have leaked at particularly opportune times. >> i don't think it impacts the relationship unless the chinese can sit around and say, william, we will get some really good stuff from this guy and we will take care of him and help him. >>chris: we will continue to watch to see if edward snowden comes out the door. we don't know if he has landed in now and whether he will come out with the other tourists and visiters or whether the russians will take him out another door. is it time to end the stimulus? the fed says the economy is recovering but the financial
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markets are not so confident.
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>> any need to consider applying the breaks on purchases by raising short-term rates is far in the future. >>chris: that doesn't sound frightening but those remarks caused a global sell off in the market fearing interest rates are rise and growth will slow. we are back with the panel. the dow dropped 560 points on wednesday and thursday after bernanke made those unintelligible remarks before the market stabilized. what does that tell you about confidence in the economy without the huge incorrection of money from the fed? >> that there is a large subset of investors who are in the storm now principally because they don't want to fight the fed and who believe the economy is not strong enough to stand up on its own legs and who believe we are in the storm because you --
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in the stock market because you cannot get a return on bonds because interest rates are too low. these are people probably who do not usually prefer equities and they are preferred the fed will pull the plug on the stimulus and do not want to be in the market when that happens so we get a signal from better -- better nazi he will raise the rates and these people bail at once. i would be surprised if it does not creep back up because, in the end, what drives the stock market is corporate profits and in the profits are strong enough to create what bernanke described, an economy at cruising speed there will be plenty of good reasons to be in the stock market. >>chris: behind-the-scenes, as a good reporter, does the white
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house think it was too soon to raise the possibility that the fed at some point in the not-too-distant future will stop buying $85 billion every month in bonds in >> this case? >> the fed is careful about talking about the white house because of what you saw. any comment has a significant impact on the market. any comment from the white house about fed action could have a significant impact on the market. what the white house would point you to is something that got overshadowed in the comments that the reason he brought up the idea of ending the bond-buying programs because the economy is strengthening he thinks which is good news for the white house. what they would also point to, and a lot of american people would say, the economy for most americans is not wall street. the economy for most americans is not improving significantly. just because you have conversations happening at the
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fed and on wall street it is a disconnect. >>chris: if the fed raises real estate that has an effect on mortgage rates and all kinds of things and raises the question whether it was a mistake for the fed to become so attached to easy money and low interest rates. did the economy and all of us inside the economy become addicted to this easy money? >> i think so but i e-mail four different economy is and i get four answers. five or six different answers, actually. yes, there is a reason if emergency intervention in 2008 and keeping zero interest rate going for five years is asking for trouble and i i am afraid we will pay the price but it has been go for wall street, big banks and big government which borrows cheap and if the interest rates are higher it
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would be a problem with the deficit. but it is bad to small business who get no benefit. the policies are part of the overall set of policies which p of overall policies that characterize obama administration to obama care, dodd-frank, for big business, government, not good for middle class america, small savers, small businesses. >> bob, your thoughts about bernanke's comments, what it says about the economy, the reaction from the markets? >> first of all, the strategy is a risky one. five years effectively zero interest rates. let's face it, it is an experiment, no one has ever done it. i think within the fed, they're saying geez, we're going to have to get out of it at some point in a tentative, sounded like greenspan, on one hand, on the other hand you didn't know what he meant. the idea it is not going to last
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forever sent a real shock to the markets. and the question is, and this is the looming one, what's the real condition of the american economy? this is an artificial boost to it. if you take the artificialality out, where does it go? i think this should be roman numeral i for obama and congress, they've got to do something. their role in the economy. they just punted by and large. >> let's pick up on that because as julie said, there's the argument in its own way that bernanke statement is good news, inflation is low, it may be tepid, but growth is continuing and it shows the economy is recovering. >> but worry for someone like bernanke, when interest rates are this level and this much stimulus in the economy from that, and the economy
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strengthens to the point we have reasonably robust growth, you're right on the danger point for outbreak of inflation. that's what a fed chief has to be concerned about. the thing chiefs often have to do is raise rates in a way it doesn't blow up the force of whatever recovery is going on, but in time to prevent inflation. once the inflation jeannie is out of the bottle, it is hard to put it back in. last big experience we had with that was with near hyperinflation in the late 1970s, and massive recession was in duesed when paul volcker clamped down on that, raised interest rates to the point we went through nasty inflation, unemployment higher than in the recent one, and that's what he is trying to head off. as bob suggests, this is a dangerous game he is playing, playing with fire, been playing with it for years. whether he can get us out of the building before it burns down is
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in question. >> the president made interesting comments about bernanke this week. he said the chairman already stayed at the fed, get the quote right, longer than he wanted or was supposed to. does that mean bernanke is gone when his term ends in january, is there an early line on who might replace him? >> it sounds like bernanke won't be sticking around. he stayed about the average length of time for a fed chairman, alan greenspan was there. a lot of people say tim geith r geithner. he signaled he would probably leave end of his term. >> 30 seconds, a good or bad fed chairman? >> like greenspan, looked like he did a great job, there's been lots of criticism and the impact of what the fed does often comes years later when people look at it, say they missed this bubble like the housing bubble. >> thank you, panel. see you next week.
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don't forget to check out panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on our website, follow us on twitter @foxnewssunday. up next, the power player of the week holding a music festival in a national park.
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summer means vacations, barbeques, fun in the sun. also means outdoor music festivals, including at one national park. here is our power player week. >> when you're outdoors in the summertime with the open air,
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there's something -- it is a very different atmosphere. >> talking about the magic of summer music festivals. he has taken over as head of wolf track, america's national park for the performing arts outside washington. >> whether it be contemporary. whether it be a more classic act, rock, pop, bluegrass, opera, all of it is represented here at wolf trap this summer. >> we saw the range ourselves this week. walking into an opera rehearsal. and then the indigo girls at their sound check. >> you can listen indoors, you might as well listen to your cd or in front of a stereo speaker.
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>> he says there's something different about a concert outdoors. >> the moment of the night that's best is when it goes daylight to evening, like the house lights coming down, becomes maroon, magenta, then the concert starts. that's something only mother nature can provide. >> as many as 7,000 come to concerts. >> the cheapest ticket is $4 on the lawn. >> what do you get for that? >> you're sitting on the lawn. let you bring your own food, wine, picnic. >> but wolf trap is more than the summer festival. also has preschool programs in 17 cities, using the arts to teach kids about reading and math. >> about half the class chose shapes up high. >> patterns and spacial relations, geometry, concepts related to the foundation of mathematics. >> how do you know they have less? >> counted. >> you counted! >> i grew up in love with music. >> raised in ohio, he joined his high school marching band. >> it is hard to march with a
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bar tone saxophone when it is snowing on you, but i did it and enjoyed it. >> he has big plans for wolf trap, including bringing in new acts he is not yet ready to announce. >> we are very much in the kitchen cooking phase. until the dishes are ready, we just leave them in the kitchen. >> he has no problem talking about the satisfaction of his work. >> what we're doing ultimately only benefits people. that's really all our goal, to make people's lives a little brighter, maybe going to a great concert after a busy work week, or seeing your kids prosper and develop in ways you might not have expected. that's a very, very gratifying feeling at the end of the day. >> while many local school systems had to cut their arts programs, wolf trap with a mix of private and public money has not. it hopes to expand to more cities. still no ed snowden, maybe they lost his bag in moscow.
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that's it for today. see you next week for fox news sunday. huckabee. tonight on huckabee. rick san dhtitorium has a new job in the private sector. does that moan he is done with politics? >> you will be able to keep your doctor period. and you will be able to cope your health care plan period. doctors are coping their patients and dropping the his honor and eliminating the red tape of obama care can make it better. >> i will post my prices and give my patients what i promise to give them for that price. >> she's backed up elvis and frank and a rethia. darlene love takes center